This is a re-upload of a series of posts from a thread on anon.cafe/christian/ (a Christian board of a small imageboard). I did not write the text saved here, but I chose to archive the text on my blog anyways since I thought it would be interesting. The text in bold is my own work but the text in either italics or normal font is not.
Disclaimer: Note that since these posters aren’t me, their opinions are not necessarily my own! Also, the language may be offensive to some readers.
The thread began with an anon posting the following picture (a screencap from a different imageboard) with the following text:
Anonymous No. 1633 – Does Christianity truly support globalism/communism? This sentiment is shared throughout pagan and other anti-christian circles.
Even though the picture is above I decided to transcribe the image’s text (at least the pertinent parts) for the reader’s convenience.
Blackshirt No. 20301/20302 – Christianity being Jewish is the tip of the iceberg. It is unfortanite that this is focused on above so much. It is a problem that can’t go unnoticed, but even if Christianity was 100% European, it would have to be rejected for many other reasons as well.
Fundamentally, the Fascist/White Nationalist/NatSoc worldview is completely at odds with the Christian ethos. It is what is called slave morality. Slave morality is herd morality. It is a morality which is fundamentally anti-life, and is born from those types of lives that are prone to envy, hatred, self-pity, and resentment. One of the best illustrations of this can be found in 1 Corinthians 1:27-29:
But God chose the foolish shings of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong. God chose the lowly things of this world and the despised things–and the things that are not–to nullify the things that are, so that no one may boast before him.
As Nietzche said, this is the turning of all evaluations upside down. Everything beauty, masculine, triumphant, strong and powerful is condemned, the true righteous are the ugly, oppressed, effeminate, meek, weak and sickly. God loves them. In fact Nietzsche goes to far as to call these religions ‘religions for the suffering’, for all those who suffer from life as from an illness, and that according to these religions, these are the people who are in the right, and it is that these values of these religions attempt to make universal, condemning everything that does not fit into this mold as “evil”, “prideful”, “sinful”, etc. The result – “the degeneration of the European race”. At its root we see how the Christian ethos exhibited in verses such as this is the root of leftism. In today’s world, the hatred of all that is higher, beautiful and strong is absolutely pervasive, and it comes from Christianity, or perhaps one could say Abrahamism at large, because verses can be found in the Old Testament with this sort of attitude, and this same idea can be found in Islam as well, when Allah shames and casts into hell all of these “prideful” and “strong” ones on the Day of Judgement.
Further, Christianity is universal in scope. It posits the belief that all mankind was descended from Adam and Eve. This is the root of the idea of a single humanity. For the ancient abstract universal “man” did not exist, only men (Greeks, Romans, barbarians, etc). This generic universal abstract man has never existed. It is a fiction. This myth of Man is secularized in modern ideologies of human rights, Marxism, liberalism, etc. Abrahamic egoism considers itself to be a one-size-fits-all solution for every person, every culture and every race on the planet. Here we see the roots of communist dictatorships, the forces spreading of liberalism around the planet and the suppression of the tiniest amounts of wrongthink by Jews today. It forces all true diversity into the same mold, not realizing that different races, different cultures and different types of people all have different spiritual feelings and inclinations. It is a form of proto-globalism.
Furthermore, Christianity is conductive to individualism, as are all Abrahamic religions. In antiquity there was little to no distinction between religion and civic life. It was the practice of rituals as a spectator that the pagan entered into the religion. Christianity and Abrahamism at large makes the relationship to the divine purely individual. One makes one’s own salvation. There is a rupture of solidarity within the community. Jesus tells you to hate your mother and father, and that he brought a sword to create divisions among the Volk (Matthew 10:34-26). A man’s enimies will be the members of his own household… how Völkisch! Increasingly this has been pointed out by more than just Neo-Pagans, the anti-family, anti-community nature of Christianity was emphasized heavily in Japanese polemics against Christianity make as far back as the 16th and 17th centuries.
Further, Abrahamism/Christianity devalues the world. The world exists as a sort of ontological parasite on God. There is a radical distinction between creation and God. God is ”entirely” distinct from Natute, ontologically self-sufficient, and everything not God is merely a work of God. Here stems the Abrahamic hatred of nature. To be awed at nature, and to see in at work forces bigger than oneself, to feel gratitude towards it, is paganism. The Semitic mind sees some great anthropomorphized abstraction at work behund the scenes, and is positively enraged that anyone would worship anything of the world. This Abrahamic dualism is fundamental.
In pagan thought the world is animated. The soul of the world is divine, all creation comes exclusively from nature and the world. The universe is the ”sole being” and there cannot be others, its essence is not distinct from it’s existence. It is non-created, eternal and imperishable. There is no beginning, or if there was, it was only of cucles. This is more or less what we see from Xenophanes, Heraclitus and the like. It is a form of non-dualistic monotheism, something with is not fundamentally at odds with polytheism, as the two have always been a false dichotomy. With the Abrahamic view of history, history is only an episode, a blip in eternity. There is an end, a goal, and it will all be over, forever. The only thing that matters in this world is the center of gravity which is placed ”outside” of this world, into some etherial nothingness.
And finally, Christianity is dying among White people. Church attendance is down, people care less and less about the religion, and the religion itself becomes browner and browner and more and more localized in third world countries. he days when Christianity could be considered “White” in any sense at all are rapidly coming to an end. the side-effects of Abrahamism as mentioned in my previous two posts unfortunately remain, but the religion itself ceased to be compelling in many respects. Yet atheism and secularism themselves are no solution, and neither is Christianity. Science gradually began to undermine many aspects of the Abrahamic worldview as well, and it has gradually moved closer and closer to rediscovering animism and paganism than it has Christianity. And I have not even begin to really focused on the Jewish conspiracy angle to this. As I said at the beginning, the problems with Christianity far transcend the Jews.
Well, that was a lot to read. If you are curious read another response in my other post “Christianity, Marxism, and Fascism” But below an anon comes in to respond to all of that on his own:
Anonymous No. 4641 – Kek, I wrote that myself. Maybe I should just tear it apart now.
After identifying himself, he decides to act on his word:
Anonymous No. 4646 – I’ve never argued against myself before, I will enjoy this.
1/2
It is what is called slave morality. Slave morality is herd morality. It is a morality which is fundamentally anti-life
Humans are social animals by nature and morality, typically, is mostly synonymous with reciprocal relations among individuals. Calling it ‘herd morality’ is not an argument, and this entire post of course assumes a Nietzsche immoralist framework where ‘There are no facts, only interpretations’. Ironically, the entire post can be essentially dismissed as one Nietzschean ‘interpretation’ among many, but I won’t do that.
Calling Christian morality anti-life is actually false. Christianity is actually one of the most pro-life and pro-world religions that there is. Pagan belief systems in Europe and beyond were often founded on the idea of the world being a sort of trap for the soul. This is seen in Orphism, Pythagoreanism, (Neo)platonic philosophy, Buddhism, Hinduism, Jainism, etc. In all of these systems the body is a prison, or a tomb, something to be escaped and not desired. Phrases like ‘Sōma Sēma’, ‘the body a tomb’ were used by Plato and others to denigrate the body and the material world in general as something lesser than the source, and in some Gnostic systems (of course heavily influenced by all of the above), the material world is even seen as ‘evil’. Christianity believes that the material world is fundamentally good, but is fallen for now, and that we are an integral unity of body, spirit and soul, and that we will be resurrected in this same body one day, albeit in a more glorified and perfect form. The body is not something that is to be denigrated or ‘liberated’ from. Not even to mention the fact that Christianity includes various ideas such as being fruitful and multiplying, having family, children, tight-knit communities, etc. Paganism is a highly pessimistic worldview when we look at the authentic sources and not modern Nietzschean LARPs.
Everything beauty, masculine, triumphant, strong and powerful is condemned, the truly righteous are the ugly, oppressed, effeminate, meek, weak and sickly.
Perhaps in modern leftism, but this is not true of authentic and traditional Christianity. Righteousness comes from faith in God and doing good works.
God loves them.
God loves all of them.
The result – “the degeneration of the European race”.
Europe has degenerated because it has abandoned God and has been possessed by a Satanic drive towards ‘progress’ at the expense of all else, and Whites have foolishly tried to place themselves in the place of God, and have sold their souls to materialism and false modern idols.
At its root, we see how the Christian ethos exhibited in verses such as this is the root of leftism.
Leftism is ultimately an inversion of Christianity, as can be seen most clearly in Communism. This is why Leftists have exterminated Christians and heaped ridicule on them whenever they have gotten power.
Abrahamism
Meme word.
Further, Christianity is universal in scope.
All truth is necessarily universal.
For the ancient abstract universal “man” did not exist, only men (Greeks, Romans, barbarians, etc). The generic universal abstract man has never existed. It is a fiction.
Abstract humanity is a real thing, and it’s silly to deny this. This isn’t to say that all humans are the same, they’re not – but there are core features that are undoubtedly shared by all humans, and we are of the same species, undeniably.
Abrahamic egoism considers itself to be a one-size-fits-all solution for every person, every culture and every race on the planet.
Truth is singular. This said, Christianity has different expressions of the same truth within a diverse array of cultures, peoples and races.
Further, Christianity is conducive to individualism
Christianity is inherently community-based. No one is saved alone. The Trinity itself may even hint at the reciprocal and relationship-based nature of reality, which is reflected in humanity as well. Christ teaches to love one’s neighbor as oneself, and to not do unto others as we would not want done to ourselves. This is not individualistic, this is communitarian. Christians come together for liturgical (the word literally means: ‘work of the people’) worship and seek fellowship with other Christians. Christians believe they exist within a mystical Body of Christ. One can enter into Christian religion through personal prayer, liturgical worship, Christian fellowship, and many other ways.
There is a rupture of solidarity with the community.
Truth is always higher than pleasing people around you.
Anonymous No. 4647 – 2/2
Jesus tells you to hate your mother and father, and that he brought a sword to create divisions among the Volk (Matthew 10:34-36). A man’s enemies will be the members of his own household… how Völkisch!
Jesus often spoke hyperbolically (for example – ‘tear out your eye if it causes you to sin’, etc). This said, as with any teaching, it has the potential to be divisive, and therefore he warned that there would be consequences in following him – persecution, martyrdom, etc. This would arise with any sort of teaching. Even those who love paganism will run into this problem if they attempt to force it onto their Christian families, or would trying to turn them ‘NatSoc’, which would conflict with modern liberal values in a number of places. Yet one would still pursue them if they were sincere, because they would believe them to be the truth.
Further, Abrahamism / Christianity devalues the world.
The world is not seen as ultimate. It is, however, ‘very good’ and a creation of God. The anti-life nature of paganism has already been discussed in the first post.
To be awed at Nature, and to see in at work forces bigger than oneself, to feel gratitude towards it, is paganism.
Feel awe at the one who created it and whose wisdom is visible in every facet of nature.
The Semitic mind sees some great anthropomorphized abstraction at work behind the scenes, and it is positively enraged that anyone would adore or worship anything of the world.
Why worship a tree or a river when it cannot help you, when it has not created you, when it is inanimate?
It non-created, eternal and imperishable
Not even cucked modern scientists think this.
And finally, Christianity is dying among White people.
And look at what has happened to Europe and America. Degeneracy is exploding.
the religion itself becomes browner and browner and more and more localized in third world countries.
They will outlast Whites if they take their faith seriously.
Science gradually began to undermine many aspects of the Abrahamic worldview as well
Lol
and it has gradually moved closer and closer to rediscovering animism and paganism than it has Christianity.
I was referring to panpsychism and other meme-tier theories of mind, but I have realized that these make no sense and are no different than materialism in many ways and have many issues such as how these would even combine into unified subjects such as the human consciousness or do anything else.
”And I have not even begun to really focused on the Jewish conspiracy angle to all of this.”
It’s not a compelling argument either when one dives into it.
After he types all of that, a different anon asks him:
Anonymous No. 4650 – Nicely done. What made you change your mind since last year?
To which he responds;
Anonymous No. 4652 – What made you change your mind since last year?
A couple of different things. One of them was that I have been hanging out with a good friend of mine who is a Christian and really into philosophy and stuff, so we would have good conversations and discuss philosophy and stuff like that weekly. We both enjoy discussing spiritual topics, and so gradually many of my objections to Christianity were shot down. This probably began in early 2020, but I was still posting things such as the screencapped post in early 2021, so I didn’t feel like it was all completely refuted by that point, but I was on my way.
The question of what happened to Jesus and why Christianity began to form was another question that was occupying my mind, and that I tried to research myself. None of the alternative explanations for what happened to Jesus seem to explain the origin of the religion, and this was especially cemented after reading the massive book ‘The Resurrection of the Son of God’ by N.T. Wright, and after hearing apologists such as William Lane Craig present arguments in favor for it. I did find it a bit disconcerting that there were no compelling alternative theories of what happened given the available evidence that explained the origin of the belief and gave impetus to the movement in light of the fact that other Jewish messianic movements had died out immediately after their leader died. I just kinda pushed the fact to the side, but it was bothering me a bit.
I was also very interested in Eastern religions, so I had begun to meditate and eventually pray by early to mid 2021. I was still regularly insulting Jesus and Christians online though in vicious terms. I sort of vaguely believed in some sort of pantheistic god or all-encompassing cosmic Mind, but it wasn’t really a real belief. Though, that began to change at the beginning of July – I was praying to God, and was asking earnestly for a sign that He was real, and then suddenly, He did give me a sign. I reported this on /x/ on July 2nd 2021:
try praying
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/29105515/
suddenly an electric sensation overcomes as soon as I ask God for a sign
I also feel a touch on my hand
What the fuck bros, does prayer actually work?
That was the first time I actually truly believed in God, because before that it was merely intellectual, but I could not find an alternative explanation for that experience that I had.
Slightly before the time the post that follows was made, I had an experience that completely changed my view of Jesus. I was regularly praying still through July and into August, asking for guidance. I was asking God who I should follow, and I listed names such as the Buddha, Krishna, Muhammad, and then I began to say ‘Jesus Christ”:
https://16chan.xyz/fascist/res/7859.html#q12440
”I was definitely spooked when I mentioned Jesus offhand, planning to casually move to the next name, but instead got what I could only interpret as a positive answer that he was good. It’s hard to explain it in any non-cringe way, but basically it was a sudden out-of-the-blue feeling of a pressure change that left my ears sort of sore for a half hour afterwards, followed by five to ten seconds of intense ringing in my ears. I had gotten a few strange experiences before doing that, but that was the most intense one I had had, personally. I just stopped after that for the night. And honestly I’ve been a little reluctant to look deeper into it. It sort of makes me anxious even to write about again. It certainly seems like something in need of solving at some point. I’ve already ruled out any sort of self-suggestion, as I would have chosen something like the Buddha or Krishna before Jesus, really. I never really hated him, but I’ve decided to refrain from saying anything bad about him from now on.”
So from that point on I stopped blaspheming or speaking bad about Jesus. And I continued to read the Bible, and look into it more seriously, and accepted that God indeed wanted me to follow Jesus. During this period I also diffused basically every objection about Christianity being a Jewish conspiracy or Talmudic, and I started to do research into what churches, if any, were worth looking into. There is a few months of inactivity at this point from August 2021 to early November 2021, when I finally decided to go to an Orthodox Church in my area and check out the Divine Liturgy. I’ve probably attended there a dozen times at this point and am planning on going there tomorrow morning as well. Christianity is just the best attested religion historically, apologetically, and in my own personal experiences through prayer, etc. I’ve cut out a lot, but that’s the gist of it. I forgot to say too that I got tired of paganism and related ideas because it is an obvious shallow aesthetic used for people to push political agendas, and no one wants to seriously engage in spiritual practice, which I wanted. That is something that made me more interested in the question of God too.
So wasn’t that an interesting life story for anon, as it not? If you are interested in another response to the same image see “Is Christianity Proto-Marxism?”.
Nikaea 325 